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crazyjoeog wrote…
even though we stop ALLLLLL the major wars from happening.
... editing myself down here... like... HUGE rant cut down to a single phrase:
please grow up.
Who is this song aimed at? If you wish to get technical an "american" is one who lives in the americas. You should specify the U.S.A. or U.S.
Central Americans are Americans, South Americans are American. There was a huge controversy on an embassy in mexico called "american embassy" ( the american embassy was the USA embassy to Mexico)
The Title of the embassy offended mexico and it was changed to "the united states embassy to mexico" because technically an american is anyone in the americas...
Be more specific in your songs
Btw, I totally agree Bush is a FREAKING idiot, the worst president EVER to be in office. Causes wars and swears on tv. What a great president the united states has.
Central Americans are Americans, South Americans are American. There was a huge controversy on an embassy in mexico called "american embassy" ( the american embassy was the USA embassy to Mexico)
The Title of the embassy offended mexico and it was changed to "the united states embassy to mexico" because technically an american is anyone in the americas...
Be more specific in your songs
Btw, I totally agree Bush is a FREAKING idiot, the worst president EVER to be in office. Causes wars and swears on tv. What a great president the united states has.
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This is sooooo much better
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Anger is fine, you know, (I think 'Rage against the Machine' is the best album since god knows when) - real art is supposed to make you grow as a person. by all means bring people in touch with their anger, but at least make an effort to give them a broader perspective, to give them something to think about.
not something that's even more moronic than the thing you're trying to fight (with which fight I heartily agree, actually, but then again: I'm not really an American)
This is sooooo much better
.Anger is fine, you know, (I think 'Rage against the Machine' is the best album since god knows when) - real art is supposed to make you grow as a person. by all means bring people in touch with their anger, but at least make an effort to give them a broader perspective, to give them something to think about.
not something that's even more moronic than the thing you're trying to fight (with which fight I heartily agree, actually, but then again: I'm not really an American)
| Not that it's steriotypical... |
I'm not offended at this at all. I agree that American politics are fucked up. However, you're just repeating the same stuff over and again. If you want to make a point, don't just say "America fuck off" Name off some shit that American politics have done to fuck things up like killing for oil, depelted uranium bullets and shells, the war in general, banning gay marrages and etc... This sounds like more of a hate song than it does a political song.
Just a suggestion.
Also, the song is a bit steriotypical. You shouldn't point the song at American citizes as a whole. There are a lot of bands from the US that are extremely political. For example, NOFX, Pennywise, ANTI-FLAG and Rise Against just to name a few, not to mention most of the youth in America today (including myself) agree that American politics are fucked up.
Anyway, I'll end this now before it gets any longer.
-TJ of The Bombers.
Just a suggestion.
Also, the song is a bit steriotypical. You shouldn't point the song at American citizes as a whole. There are a lot of bands from the US that are extremely political. For example, NOFX, Pennywise, ANTI-FLAG and Rise Against just to name a few, not to mention most of the youth in America today (including myself) agree that American politics are fucked up.
Anyway, I'll end this now before it gets any longer.
-TJ of The Bombers.
A lot people aren't gonna know how to take that. Perhaps thats what you intended. But if you're gonna tell someone to fuck off you shouldn't be so vague in the supporting evidence. I'm not what you meant by 'we are not indians'. But all in all, better you vent that anger in a song than with violence so cheers.
yeah yeah...don't beat around the Bush!
| Don't waste your angst us! |
I find your lyrics offensive and find your ignorance of history is astounding. Perhaps the horror of a real regime worthy of such disdain has faded from the world's memory. I wish in noble strength Bush was worthy of half criticism he receives. Why waste it on a teddy bear like Bush? Why not blank the Khmer Rouge or Idi Amin or current real tyrants? Perhaps that will be too factual and not as fashionable. If one lacks the inspiration to express real creativity perhaps Bush bashing can jump start your angst and offer a hip looking bandwagon outlet to let it fly....to each is own. Why waste it on hating America .....maybe...blank greasy Chavez, blank the Iranian nuke freak, blank Castro who murdered thousands for absolute power, blank Carlos Salinas De Gortari for raping Mexico and stealing billions. Hey maybe I feel a song coming on.......thanks for jump starting my punk rock tude.
its funny...but the song is not that good.
Politics is my favorite thing to have songs about, but I prefer more subtle and learned lyrics than "america, fuck off!"
Politics is my favorite thing to have songs about, but I prefer more subtle and learned lyrics than "america, fuck off!"
P.S. Perhaps this could be a suitable chorus line:
Through a U.S. initiative, on April 30, 1994 Latvia and Russia signed a troop withdrawal agreement. Russia withdrew its troops by August 31, 1994, a........
I don't think punk was allowed in your country before this.
Through a U.S. initiative, on April 30, 1994 Latvia and Russia signed a troop withdrawal agreement. Russia withdrew its troops by August 31, 1994, a........
I don't think punk was allowed in your country before this.
I think you guys are wasting cogent political insights on a reactionary.
Stuffx is no different than the people in this country who spout absolutist ideology without regard to fact, statistics or history. (see "crazyjoe" on page three)
Some guy told me the other day that the war in Iraq was a great idea and had served a noble purpose because it kept the terrorists in the middle east where they belong. His argument included the gem " How many people have died in America from terrorism since the war began?None!" Apparently sending Americans over to Iraq to die, effectively saving the terrorists the cost and logistics of a trip to the U.S., didn't bother him. I guess it's ok to send Americans away to die as long as we can say we've had no attacks here, our increased security measures notwithstanding. This dumb-shit bit of lunacy is typical of the absurdities we hear in this country from people who don't bother to analyze their own opinions.
Here on the Amp, it's a global community. Americans should get a good idea of how
we're viewed by the rest of the world by being here. If it bothers us, we shoud start wondering what we might do about it.
BandAmpers from the rest of the world should be getting the idea from us that it's not a clear-cut, black and white issue.
Millions of U.S. Americans here and abroad are working, sometimes at great risk to themselves, to make the world, not just our country, a better place. To ignore their contributions to the global culture and stability is foolish.
Stuffx can think and say what she wants. But if offended parties are going to take her to task for it, she'd better have a more compelling retort than " you make me laugh".
This song doesn't offend me anymore than death-metal offends my sense of spirituality or gangsta rap offends my sense of morality. It's vacuous political invective, obviously un-informed, and hardly worth countering. She sees a small part of us and hates the whole, or at least her lyrics imply that. I originally took this song to be a half-assed poke at entrenched government in the spirit of Anarchy in the UK. Her subsequent posts seem to indicate otherwise.
But I think she should have the freedom to say what she wants regardless of how offensive it might be to some party or other.
And I'm going to go out on a limb and guess she's never been here.
Still , in this country we take a tip from Voltaire and use the phrase:
"I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
That's just the kind of assholes we are!
Stuffx is no different than the people in this country who spout absolutist ideology without regard to fact, statistics or history. (see "crazyjoe" on page three)
Some guy told me the other day that the war in Iraq was a great idea and had served a noble purpose because it kept the terrorists in the middle east where they belong. His argument included the gem " How many people have died in America from terrorism since the war began?None!" Apparently sending Americans over to Iraq to die, effectively saving the terrorists the cost and logistics of a trip to the U.S., didn't bother him. I guess it's ok to send Americans away to die as long as we can say we've had no attacks here, our increased security measures notwithstanding. This dumb-shit bit of lunacy is typical of the absurdities we hear in this country from people who don't bother to analyze their own opinions.
Here on the Amp, it's a global community. Americans should get a good idea of how
we're viewed by the rest of the world by being here. If it bothers us, we shoud start wondering what we might do about it.
BandAmpers from the rest of the world should be getting the idea from us that it's not a clear-cut, black and white issue.
Millions of U.S. Americans here and abroad are working, sometimes at great risk to themselves, to make the world, not just our country, a better place. To ignore their contributions to the global culture and stability is foolish.
Stuffx can think and say what she wants. But if offended parties are going to take her to task for it, she'd better have a more compelling retort than " you make me laugh".
This song doesn't offend me anymore than death-metal offends my sense of spirituality or gangsta rap offends my sense of morality. It's vacuous political invective, obviously un-informed, and hardly worth countering. She sees a small part of us and hates the whole, or at least her lyrics imply that. I originally took this song to be a half-assed poke at entrenched government in the spirit of Anarchy in the UK. Her subsequent posts seem to indicate otherwise.
But I think she should have the freedom to say what she wants regardless of how offensive it might be to some party or other.
And I'm going to go out on a limb and guess she's never been here.
Still , in this country we take a tip from Voltaire and use the phrase:
"I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
That's just the kind of assholes we are!
Bravo!
The last critique is outstanding!!! Great!!! I like this type if critics. This is not plain and simple "fuck you" to my "fuck off"
But as I said before this song is aimed at US politics and policies, in every country there "good" and "bad" people... maybe my lyrics aren't that perfect, but what can I do? ...I'm just a little girl in a big world
Anyway my home city will become a maximum security prison in NATO summit days
...hate that!!!!! It was like that when Mr. Bush (god of democracy) was wisting Latvia...
The last critique is outstanding!!! Great!!! I like this type if critics. This is not plain and simple "fuck you" to my "fuck off"
But as I said before this song is aimed at US politics and policies, in every country there "good" and "bad" people... maybe my lyrics aren't that perfect, but what can I do? ...I'm just a little girl in a big world
Anyway my home city will become a maximum security prison in NATO summit days
...hate that!!!!! It was like that when Mr. Bush (god of democracy) was wisting Latvia...
oh my god what a underlighted brain.....
Mr. Bush is no god of democracy. Your people of your country are the democracy. You can choose where you live and what you want to do. This is freedom in a good demonstrated democracy. In our country everyone enjoys democracy but not the politics. Thats what you should do: not being a little girl in a big world. You can change it but you won't. You're still crying and attacking other people in other countries. This is the wrong way. May be this idea comes out of a female and dumb mind.
Don't talk, do it
but do it in private not via this site for musicians by musicians. Or arent you one?
Mr. Bush is no god of democracy. Your people of your country are the democracy. You can choose where you live and what you want to do. This is freedom in a good demonstrated democracy. In our country everyone enjoys democracy but not the politics. Thats what you should do: not being a little girl in a big world. You can change it but you won't. You're still crying and attacking other people in other countries. This is the wrong way. May be this idea comes out of a female and dumb mind.
Don't talk, do it
but do it in private not via this site for musicians by musicians. Or arent you one?
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Hmm TK what are you aiming at?
Listen... in my opinion this is a punk song. and it does a hell of a good job being one... look at the discussion is raises... people are forced to think about the situation, exactly what this tune intends to do. If the lyrics would be politically elaborate people would either take it for granted (and forget about it) or sing praise (and forget about it, since the artist would have already "thought about it" for the observer, who can opt to share the viewpoints or not, and then move on with the site) or not understand it very well (and forget about it, leaving a low vote in the process).
To me this song is da BOMB... Causing the most heated discussion on this site, having those who listened to it think about what the hell is going on in the world, people showing their political and sometimes downright nationalist faces, this tune it's fulfilling it's purpose for real: confrontation. You can't get around it: look at all the words of defense spilt by so many. I guess this means there's something in need for defense alright... So anyone who did not vote 100% for it does not understand what this song is clearly all about
Oh and... One more thing... You can attack stuffx for being not thoughtful or whatever, but then I still think you're missing the point of this song. Punk music is about the EFFECT it causes... Because it's a reaction to what happens to the world the people live in, and anger and frustration has to be vented... In the process sending a message out to the general public to confront them with their own part of responsibility in whatever the hell is going on... And stuffx is just the messenger... Anyone with any social background knows you shouldn't shoot the messenger, what the hell are you all thinking??
PX (mod)
Listen... in my opinion this is a punk song. and it does a hell of a good job being one... look at the discussion is raises... people are forced to think about the situation, exactly what this tune intends to do. If the lyrics would be politically elaborate people would either take it for granted (and forget about it) or sing praise (and forget about it, since the artist would have already "thought about it" for the observer, who can opt to share the viewpoints or not, and then move on with the site) or not understand it very well (and forget about it, leaving a low vote in the process).
To me this song is da BOMB... Causing the most heated discussion on this site, having those who listened to it think about what the hell is going on in the world, people showing their political and sometimes downright nationalist faces, this tune it's fulfilling it's purpose for real: confrontation. You can't get around it: look at all the words of defense spilt by so many. I guess this means there's something in need for defense alright... So anyone who did not vote 100% for it does not understand what this song is clearly all about
Oh and... One more thing... You can attack stuffx for being not thoughtful or whatever, but then I still think you're missing the point of this song. Punk music is about the EFFECT it causes... Because it's a reaction to what happens to the world the people live in, and anger and frustration has to be vented... In the process sending a message out to the general public to confront them with their own part of responsibility in whatever the hell is going on... And stuffx is just the messenger... Anyone with any social background knows you shouldn't shoot the messenger, what the hell are you all thinking??
PX (mod)
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What Mr. TritonK was meaning was that the song is fine, but the lyrics and the message are uninformed, and misguided... perhaps she needs to work on her own situation, and then she can understand....
as for me..
Her statement "I would rather live in slavery than in American "Freedom" tells me how un-informed she is....and how spoiled... She has never known what slavery is... Let me inform you, slavery is hell... slavery is your soul being taken from you.... It is unimaginable...
You should really educate yourself before making such a bold political song... I love the feel of the song, and believe me, I am not offended, because I understand the ignorance behind the song.... Punk is cool, I do punk myself.. But, Political punk is for the informed... You will have to answer for your music when you get political, better have the right answers, or noone will take you seriously... You aimed this at US policies, and politics, yet, nowhere are you referencing any or what angers you about them.... THat is where to start to re-do this song and make it a good political song... I mean, to say Us policies and politics suck is too general, when in reality, a fair majority are very fair, and good.. it is but a slim percentage that are not so good, but that slim percentage is REALLY bad... so, yes, the US needs a political makeover.. And I for one would like to see it soon, but, we don't have much control over that.... until we can enlighten the entire populous of the US to the need, although there has been an awakening lately...
as for me..
Her statement "I would rather live in slavery than in American "Freedom" tells me how un-informed she is....and how spoiled... She has never known what slavery is... Let me inform you, slavery is hell... slavery is your soul being taken from you.... It is unimaginable...
You should really educate yourself before making such a bold political song... I love the feel of the song, and believe me, I am not offended, because I understand the ignorance behind the song.... Punk is cool, I do punk myself.. But, Political punk is for the informed... You will have to answer for your music when you get political, better have the right answers, or noone will take you seriously... You aimed this at US policies, and politics, yet, nowhere are you referencing any or what angers you about them.... THat is where to start to re-do this song and make it a good political song... I mean, to say Us policies and politics suck is too general, when in reality, a fair majority are very fair, and good.. it is but a slim percentage that are not so good, but that slim percentage is REALLY bad... so, yes, the US needs a political makeover.. And I for one would like to see it soon, but, we don't have much control over that.... until we can enlighten the entire populous of the US to the need, although there has been an awakening lately...
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