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#16July 2nd, 2007 · 05:01 PM
64 threads / 13 songs
669 posts
United States of America
Iszil wrote…
so it's you desision to do whatever you want with a post

Thank you for making my point again.
#17July 2nd, 2007 · 05:22 PM
340 threads / 59 songs
4,344 posts
United Kingdom
I don't get it!!! Why want to keep comments for a song that is not even there!!!
As for deleting, it's a free world !!??!! You put it there, you have the choice of what to do with it, "Should it stay or should it go now......?"
I hear you when you twist the sentence around and say that therefore 'comments' are also yours and you can do with them as you please, and yes you want to keep yours. Save them to a text file then!
Because a comment is not a song/thread post, a comment is something you give to another to do with as they please!
Freedom city works on good will! "Living on the love of the common people"!
#18July 2nd, 2007 · 06:18 PM
64 threads / 13 songs
669 posts
United States of America
Unfortunately, the world doesn't work in this Utopian and socialist sense of 60's free will.
#19July 2nd, 2007 · 06:55 PM
117 threads / 55 songs
1,541 posts
Chile
Man, when you post you don't do it for your own satisfaction; you make it for helping or just saying you like it or whatever! If the person the post is dedicated don't wanna know about your post is his/her decision.
At least I don't think my post is a material thing I'd like to keep. I want to help, and so if the person wants it, good, but if he doesn't, no way!
Pitifully for you, a thread delete carries a all-posts-on-it deleting, but that's the way it work, and I don't think it's bad anyway.

          > Iszil
#20July 2nd, 2007 · 07:36 PM
64 threads / 13 songs
669 posts
United States of America
Iszil wrote…
At least I don't think my post is a material thing I'd like to keep.

That's your opinion.  Mine follows intellectual property law a bit more though.
#21July 2nd, 2007 · 07:47 PM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
What Iz says, and other things..
I have to agree with Iszil, that this is what Bandamp is about, hepling others, and that 's it. A person posts a song, asking for advice, that is what Bandamp is, if after recieving advice, they don't want it, then so be it. I think we need to relax a bit, I agree that it makes it hard to look back and remember what we said, and sometimes we come up with some AWESOME comments, that we think are killer, but the post goes bye bye, that's just the way it goes. I like the idea of keeping the comments for prosperity, but without the song, it's kind of worhtless... So, we should I guess just go on with the flow, as it is.. I for one have been guilty of deleting songs I had on here, but that is because I had so many songs on here, I felt I should remove some before adding some.. I mean look at me, 45 songs, I think that is plenty... Me and JBP are tied at 4th place for the total number of songs..  I am afraid of being one of the reasons Bandamp crashes...    So anyway, Lets just go on our merry way, I have only seen a couple people actually delete songs because of negative feedback, the others deleted either because of legal issues, or because they were uploading a new mix, and don't understand the rule of deleting and uploading new versions of the same song. It's not a big deal, just need to let this person know that you can only upload the same song twice, once being the initial post, and then if need be, you can remove that, and post a new reworked version, after that, that's the end. No more.. So better get it right....  ;o)  At the same time, we are all friends here, and most of us have worked together on a project or two, I think we can let our hearts guide us on this one, and just move onward as friends once more.

     JimK
#22July 2nd, 2007 · 07:52 PM
159 threads / 32 songs
1,956 posts
United States of America
re: deletion
the artist has to retain the rights to do what the artist wants with the song.......Sorry you have posted to a song and it was deleted ..if you need to remember your post/comments save em on your own computer.  I would not upload one song on here, if I could not retain the right to the song, or had no control over it's deletion, or non-deletion.  THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE MOST IMPORTANT POINT ..........not what somebody said or didn't say about a song........man  this saying seems to hold true   ...1/3 will like it.....1/3 could care less..... and 1/3 will hate it....... seems to be about right.... the comments made to a song are for that song and hopefully the artist will take from that comment... but if they need to delete the song , for any reason what so ever that is still their right, since the comments where for that song , what point is it to have the comments and stuff still sitting here taking up space.   I don't understand what the problem is .. I have posted comments to a song that was deleted and the post are gone ...so what.  I don't have the right to control that artist song, and no one else should either,... if something like this is implemented. I would have no choice, but to request that all my music would be deleted including any that won in any battles.

This site is for song writers to help each other, and write songs together.  If your overly worried about a comment to a song,.... then your starting to place the importance of the site more on SONG REVIEWING than on song writing.  imho  I'm not all that interested in a site focused more on reviews than on songs.....If I was I'd spend my time on Garageband instead (forced reviews)..

I hope this isn't to inflammatory, but I feel strongly about the artist, and his rights to his song/s .. the song/s is more important than the review ..........even though the review is usually there to help the song/artist.
#23July 3rd, 2007 · 07:28 PM
118 threads / 55 songs
3,079 posts
Netherlands
Intellectual property rights state that anything (thus also: any post) you write is yours, and no-one has the right to claim anything written by someone else as their own. If anyone would do this, it is called plagiarism, and may be reason to pursue that someone for copyright infringement.

However....

Having a claim of property on anything one writes does not include having the right to have or keep it published. So there you go... You cannot in any way claim that a post you wrote has the right to stay published on this site. As long as the text isn't published elsewhere without your consent and/or under a different name, there is no illegal activity here. If you wish to "materially" keep your post, better make a copy of it and save it in a file on your harddrive somewhere, so it will be kept for the ages to come.

Other than that, where do I stand? I fully agree with what Toastedgoat said "I would not upload one song on here, if I could not retain the right to the song, or had no control over it's deletion, or non-deletion.  THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE MOST IMPORTANT POINT ..........not what somebody said or didn't say about a song" as I stated before, these things were my primary concerns when I first signed up. If these things would have been unclear in any way, I would have stayed away from the site.

You asked: "Where's the vote?" I suppose the recent reactions clearly show that the suggested idea of mp3 deletion but keeping the thread accessible for read afterwards goes unfavored, even though I really don't always enjoy having posts deleted that I thought would be worthwhile looking up by others even long afterwards. However... Such is not MY loss
#24July 3rd, 2007 · 11:01 PM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
avinashv wrote…
Iszil wrote…
At least I don't think my post is a material thing I'd like to keep.

That's your opinion.  Mine follows intellectual property law a bit more though.

 Actually, here, your advice is given, this is the key word, GIVEN, therefore, what you are doing is giving this person a gift, if they choose not to favor your gift, so be it, but you cannot have it back, for you gave it to them. It is in all fairness their's now. That is the true fair sense of the site. You are givinga critique, a comment, either way, you are giving it freely, and of sound mind. I really hate discussions like this, because it brings on such bad emotion. We are all a group of like minded individuals, brought together for the common goal of making music, not to debate who has the right to delete what comment. We all must try to just get along on this, and grant the original poster's wish, if he/she decides to delete the thread, it is THEIR right to do so, It is after all, THEIR property. The comments, as I mentioned above also are THEIR property. Sure, you wrote it, but you wrote it for them, you gave it to them. It's a gift from a friend. That is how I have always viewed this site, and why I have been around so long. I love this community, Very much. I can't wait to go to the get together...  Ought to be a blast! Even if it's just me, my wife and son, and Spoon, we'll have a great time, and go eat some cheesy food, and drink bad coffee at some crusty diner.. 

           JimK
#25July 4th, 2007 · 03:52 AM
1 threads
79 posts
United States of America
re: Dont allow people to delete songs
avinashv wrote…
It's happening way too much: people are deleting songs which have bad feedback or comments they find distasteful.  Songs should only be deleted by request of administration with good reason.

Of course, writing this means nothing.

I demand an administrator reply to my countless PMs and forum posts.

Fuck that: Mudd--I'll pay you $10 to talk to me for 15 minutes on Yahoo, MSN or AIM--surely your time is worth $40 an hour?

hahahaha! I haven't had such a good laugh in a long time.
#26July 4th, 2007 · 05:35 AM
64 threads / 13 songs
669 posts
United States of America
re: re: Dont allow people to delete songs
slasherx wrote…
avinashv wrote…
It's happening way too much: people are deleting songs which have bad feedback or comments they find distasteful.  Songs should only be deleted by request of administration with good reason.

Of course, writing this means nothing.

I demand an administrator reply to my countless PMs and forum posts.

Fuck that: Mudd--I'll pay you $10 to talk to me for 15 minutes on Yahoo, MSN or AIM--surely your time is worth $40 an hour?

hahahaha! I haven't had such a good laugh in a long time.

A hilarious laugh that does nothing but prove my point?

The rest of you, tg especially: I am a musician, and have been for years now.  I have had my music ripped from me and stolen for purposes that weren't exactly great, so don't preach to me about the artist.  I have never ever said that the song shouldn't be deleted if the artist wants it.  Underlining, bold-facing and italicizing the same thing over and over again doesn't change anything.

Oh, and my claim to intellectual property was only another angle, albeit I'll admit pitiful, to maybe convince you guys.

I just think people delete songs for the wrong reasons.

Anyway, the point has been made to me that I'm pretty much the only person who seems to want this, so fine.  I'm wiping my hands clean of this discussion.
#27July 4th, 2007 · 06:26 AM
1 threads
79 posts
United States of America
re: re: re: Dont allow people to delete songs
avinashv wrote…
slasherx wrote…
avinashv wrote…
It's happening way too much: people are deleting songs which have bad feedback or comments they find distasteful.  Songs should only be deleted by request of administration with good reason.

Of course, writing this means nothing.

I demand an administrator reply to my countless PMs and forum posts.

Fuck that: Mudd--I'll pay you $10 to talk to me for 15 minutes on Yahoo, MSN or AIM--surely your time is worth $40 an hour?

hahahaha! I haven't had such a good laugh in a long time.

A hilarious laugh that does nothing but prove my point?

The rest of you, tg especially: I am a musician, and have been for years now.  I have had my music ripped from me and stolen for purposes that weren't exactly great, so don't preach to me about the artist.  I have never ever said that the song shouldn't be deleted if the artist wants it.  Underlining, bold-facing and italicizing the same thing over and over again doesn't change anything.

Oh, and my claim to intellectual property was only another angle, albeit I'll admit pitiful, to maybe convince you guys.

I just think people delete songs for the wrong reasons.

Anyway, the point has been made to me that I'm pretty much the only person who seems to want this, so fine.  I'm wiping my hands clean of this discussion.

You're completely right, it does nothing but prove your point. And that was why I laughed. I have stopped working on this site about a month ago, but your complaints and such won't get rectified or even taken a look. Good luck, you'd be better off finding some other place if you want your views heard.
#28July 4th, 2007 · 07:01 AM
64 threads / 13 songs
669 posts
United States of America
[edit] No, that was too harsh.

The lack of feedback previously has left me a little frustrated, but I don't think I deserved that.  I wasn't targeting you specifically, and I certainly don't think I was being that unreasonable in asking for response.

I'll take your sarcasm as a nudge towards the door then?
#29July 4th, 2007 · 12:49 PM
37 threads / 19 songs
618 posts
United States of America
Avi,
my friend, with all due respect..  if   "I"
choose to delete one of "my" songs for
any reason, this should always be allowed..
I hope that specific freedom of choice
is still acceptable to everyone.. if I, for
any reason, but especially if there is a
problem with the song, or putting up an
edit and don't want to leave the original
up, etc etc etc..  I didn't read all of the
replies here in this post either bro, so
please be patient with me, I just wanted
to find out if to what I refer, was included
or excluded..


blessings,

blue
#30July 4th, 2007 · 08:48 PM
159 threads / 32 songs
1,956 posts
United States of America
Dont allow people to delete songs
That is in the Subject box of your post on this thread.............what else am I supposed to derive from this comment, but the fact that.. ..somehow you believe that for whatever reason it is that people should not have control over their songs, and they should not be able to delete them at will.

You also stated that "people were deleting the songs for the wrong reasons" ....  This seems offensive and egotistical. Who are you, or anybody else to tell me what I can, or can't do with one of my songs. What reason or reasons they are deleted for are of no consequence....this site would have problems if we started telling each other what we could or could not do with with the control of our music.

  This is a diverse community with  diverse points of views on music and ideas..We won't always agree on things just like on this thread, and that is ok.  but you would lose some artist/writers/musicians and keep many away if they lost control on their songs.

 

There are some rules on uploaded and deleting and the re-uploading of songs already in place.

ps I'll  keep the thoughts on the demand to speak to an admin. on a free sight that is a big gift to us all to myself (just remember this,..... Popworld Promotes,.... was another free upload site that just shut down, and it would be a shame to make the administration feel unappreciated,... and feel the need to shut this site down).

I say thanks to  the admin and mods.....It's a free site be thankful and appreciate what you have.
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