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#1September 13th, 2012 · 09:35 AM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
Which Piano?
I'm starting to make plans for my small studio (about 5 x 3 meters). I want to get an Electric Piano and would like to hear some feedback from all you dedicated Piano Players.  Bear in mind I'm not a pro Piano player, but for those of you who know me, I'm a multi-instrumentalist and with time I can play to a reasonable standard. I think I've got a good touch, so I've been told, but only know a couple of songs on the Piano, hence I'm always creating songs rather than doing covers.

It's going to remain static in the studio, so one with a wooden frame is fine, but I'd still consider a portable.

The most important two things are the sound and feel of the keys, plus as compact as possible.

So far based on my research Yamaha and Roland seem to be the kings of keys, but I'm open for suggestions.
The Roland F120 looks like a good bet to me. http://www.roland.co.uk/products/productdetails.aspx?p=1185

I'm lucky in that there is a Piano Shop only about 5 miles from my home. Here is a link to there website
http://www.ukpianos.co.uk/

I've set a budget for about 1000.00 - I don't mind if it's a good second-hand one, if I can get something good for less, all the better.

I'd be interested to know of your experiences and your thoughts on what grade and quality of Piano I should buy.  Essentially I'll be playing, creating and recording.
#2September 13th, 2012 · 10:29 PM
155 threads / 29 songs
1,936 posts
United States of America
I have no clue, but I play with quite a few keyboard players. They like Roland ... but for some reason they seem to gravitate towards the Kurzweil stuff.  I've heard comments that the sound is a little richer in tone.  Not sure if that true though.. I'd say check them out and A/B  the roland, Korg, and Kurzweil piano's..

I use the Casio wk1500 (ancient keyboard) as a controller for my  Steinberg Grand Piano software.
http://www.zzounds.com/item--STEGRAND
#3September 16th, 2012 · 04:49 AM
117 threads / 27 songs
1,057 posts
Germany
Im also not a competent advisor in keyboards. I guess youre not doing wrong with Yamaha, Roland, Korg, Kurzweil.
Another company to keep in mind may be "Clavia". They make some great stage pianos and other keys.
Depends on your purposes.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/clavia.html

As a non-native-keyboarder Im happy with my Yamaha "MO6" Synth. It provides all ( and more) I need and can handle. Decent Piano- and Organ sounds, fantastic solo-, lead and pad-synth-sounds, great multi-layers etc.

U.L.I.
#4September 16th, 2012 · 09:00 AM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
Yamaha P85
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261097269803?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_520wt_1397
Doing loads of research and the above meets my needs, that is a realistic Piano feel and sound - I'm always on the hunt for a bargain. The P85 on eBay was bought for a daughter three years ago, not had much use. It's compact has three pedals - Sostenuto is a new term I've learned  using the middle pedal, this works like on an acoustic pedal and sustains (un-dampens) all the strings creating an authentic sound as apposed to a standard sustain, which only sustains the notes you press, so you get more of a digital effect . I was gonna wait until my studio's built, but I can still make use of it now, I've found a space for it under my bed, the keyboard is made to measure, I can store the stand in the Attic   - I can still set it up if I want to use it. X fingers I could hopefully win the auction, I think with the stand, stool and frame of the modern equivalent sells for about 650.00, If I can get it for 300.00 I've done well. If I don't win not a problem, I'll be patient.



In German - This a good demonstration video, wish I could speak German

#5September 16th, 2012 · 09:16 AM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
ULI wrote…
Im also not a competent advisor in keyboards. I guess youre not doing wrong with Yamaha, Roland, Korg, Kurzweil.
Another company to keep in mind may be "Clavia". They make some great stage pianos and other keys.
Depends on your purposes.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/clavia.html

As a non-native-keyboarder Im happy with my Yamaha "MO6" Synth. It provides all ( and more) I need and can handle. Decent Piano- and Organ sounds, fantastic solo-, lead and pad-synth-sounds, great multi-layers etc.

U.L.I.

I've got a Behringer midi keyboard with semi-weighted keys, it's great for organ, strings and synths, but I want to get a Piano with a Piano hammer action feel and sound. The Clavia looks pro stuff, too much money for me.
#6September 16th, 2012 · 10:20 AM
185 threads / 27 songs
2,769 posts
Germany
actually I dont like the sharp piano sounds from the p-series of Yamaha.
Nord has brought out it's stage piano organ
But you're always restricted to the fixed sounds of these keyboards

I'd prefer Roland or Kurzweil for a real grand piano feeling with weighted keys. But their piano samples are rather synthetic so drop down their volume and use that keyboard as a midi controller for a VST instrument.
Check out TruePianos VST. You can find it here: http://www.truepianos.com
You can also follow a discussion about VSTs and Acoutic pianos here: http://forum.cockos.com/archive/index.php/t-25507.html
#7September 16th, 2012 · 01:41 PM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
TritonKeyboarder wrote…
actually I dont like the sharp piano sounds from the p-series of Yamaha.
Nord has brought out it's stage piano organ
But you're always restricted to the fixed sounds of these keyboards

I'd prefer Roland or Kurzweil for a real grand piano feeling with weighted keys. But their piano samples are rather synthetic so drop down their volume and use that keyboard as a midi controller for a VST instrument.
Check out TruePianos VST. You can find it here: http://www.truepianos.com
You can also follow a discussion about VSTs and Acoutic pianos here: http://forum.cockos.com/archive/index.php/t-25507.html
For some reason Kurzweil is hard to find in the UK, can only see new gear available, which is not a problem, but I wouldn't want to miss out on a bargain. I too prefer the sound of Roland, much warmer sounding, which is more suited for my style of music.  The only other option is to get a Midi keyboard with hammer action, shame there is only one keyboard with 61 keys, that's all I need really, yet Roland do 96 keys.  I do have NI Alicia's keys software, which I know you like - strangely enough they were mastered from a Yamaha Grand, the sound so mellow, rich and warm.  I'm still tempted on the Yamaha, if I don't get on with it I could always sell it, Yamaha is easy to sell.
#8September 16th, 2012 · 04:36 PM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
Kurzweil
Hmmm Very Nice Keys - 579.00  new in Uk - This is on my short list - 74 keys too, that's all I need

#9September 17th, 2012 · 06:56 AM
185 threads / 27 songs
2,769 posts
Germany
btw
my Korg Triton (Rack version) has some nice piano sounds.
Acoustic Piano
Attack Piano
60s Piano
Classic Piano

You can listen to the Acoustic Piano on this track here: http://forum.bandamp.com/Audio_Review/1413.html
#10September 17th, 2012 · 07:05 AM
185 threads / 27 songs
2,769 posts
Germany
Even Jazz piano players prefer Kurzweil's dynamic range of hammer weighted keys, more than "normal" lead weighted keys . They're absolute fantastic and give the player a real grand piano feeling in live perfomances. Also for recording purposes I would always prefer such keyboards.
#11September 17th, 2012 · 02:44 PM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
TritonKeyboarder wrote…
btw
my Korg Triton (Rack version) has some nice piano sounds.
Acoustic Piano
Attack Piano
60s Piano
Classic Piano

You can listen to the Acoustic Piano on this track here: http://forum.bandamp.com/Audio_Review/1413.html

Beautifully played TK, but it sounds synthetic to me...
#12September 17th, 2012 · 02:45 PM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
TritonKeyboarder wrote…
Even Jazz piano players prefer Kurzweil's dynamic range of hammer weighted keys, more than "normal" lead weighted keys . They're absolute fantastic and give the player a real grand piano feeling in live perfomances. Also for recording purposes I would always prefer such keyboards.
My challenge will be to find somewhere in London who stocks them so I can try it out.
#13September 18th, 2012 · 10:49 AM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
Roland FP-2
I went to my local Piano store and tried a Roland FP-7  http://www.roland.co.uk/products/productdetails.aspx?p=1123 - latest stage piano and it was awesome, the sound and touch are superb. I've seen a Roland FP-2 http://www.roland.com/products/en/FP-2/ which is an older version on eBay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261098087976#ht_500wt_1414
The auction ends this Monday coming.

It's nice and compact, plus comes with a case on wheels - The seller said he'd meet me at a nearby Tube station.

I'm very excited - x-fingers I'll win the auction

*EDIT* Not so excited, now - researched the Roland FP-2. The sound is brighter, not as nice as the latest models, can't find a decent demo either. Back to the drawing board  
#14September 18th, 2012 · 05:44 PM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,348 posts
United Kingdom
M Audio Oxygen 88
http://www.maudio.co.uk/products/en_gb/Oxygen88.html
I can get this midi controller keyboard with hammer action keys for 309.00
I also downloaded a trial version of true pianos VST recommended by TK. http://www.truepianos.com/ Sounds really nice, nice tone and dynamics, balanced tone. I'd love for some members to try it and give me their opinion.
I'll try and upload something soon.
Does anyone have hands on experience with the M Audio Oxygen 88?
#15September 19th, 2012 · 06:01 AM
77 threads / 59 songs
919 posts
Netherlands
love that Kurzweil sound!

I own an Oxygen 8, small 25 keys none weight small keys, so I can nt help You :p

actually I dont use my old 88 keys Technics much, but when I use it with Halions piano, I do like that sound much.Would love to try those True pianos, but dont have time now.
I know, I aint a great help, just chatting.
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