#1March 23rd, 2008 · 05:21 PM
68 threads / 12 songs
993 posts
United States
FROM FLYER COMMENT - new battle system
FLYER7477 wrote…
There hasn't been a song that has qualifies in the last 3-4 battles...We have to think about restructuring our battle system...Battle's give incentive to musicians to be the best they can be...Since we have a donation kitty we could afford prizes for the competitors. 1st 2nd and 3rd place winners. It doesnt have to be a extravagant award. We could even make it cash prizes. $15.00 for 1st ...$10.00 for 2nd and for 3rd place .. This way the money can be spent on something that the artist wants for themself. and at the end of the year we could present a award to the Artist's that has the the top rated Song for the year(highest rating) This way members will be encouraged to enter songs in the battles and to rate / vote on them...we can also give awards for the yr to best rated collaborated/individual songs...Just a few thought's here....

Flyer

So, I was thinking... now that mud isn't officially running the site, there's no "free" stuff that gets to be thrown around.... like... he used to give away free ipod minis (when ipod mini was the new big thing) to the 1st place winner.  Now that we're headed into the open source direciton, we've only got our donations to scrape from, if we looking at giving money away (even a small amount would add up over time... and it'd be tragic if it got to the point where there weren't enough donations to support the prizes and we had to discontinue the system (again).

I was just thinking though....   (holy crap!!1! i just ate a reese's cup without taking the black wrapper off.  I'm an idiot.)  ... *ahem*... I was thinking about what FLYER just said about a yearly thing....  what if the turned the battle into something that was quarterly, rather than monthly?  That might seem like an eternity for those artists entered into the battle, but it might also be part of a bigger solution.  Between trying to reinstate some sort of miniature prize, and increasing the duration of the battles, we could try to revive them!

And, as an addition, I think a "best song of the year" and a runner-up would be really cool, too.  Good idea, flyer. 

(i'm sorry, this post is about to get huge... i apologize, really.  but i'm on a roll.)

Imagine this:

every 3 months, there's a battle that finishes.  March 31st, June 30th, September 30th, December 31st.  In the last 2 or 3 weeks of each battle period, there's a notice at the top of the main forum (and maybe sub forum) pages, to let everybody know that the battle is approaching it's finish date, and that people should be sure to rate for all of the songs that they listen to, even if they don't post a comment.  I dunno. Something short and to the point.

Then, after the battle finishes, for a couple weeks afterward, the notice is replaced by a brief "congrats" to the top 3 placers, where it links to each artist's profile and the song that placed.

I think that the battles probably just need more exposure, and then they'll blossom

And if the ideas presented by PX and discussed by myself and others concerning more options for your uploaded music are ever implamented, then songs that are allowed to be entered into battles if they are non-archived/non-noplay'able, etc.  In other words, only the songs found in the normal Audio Review forum and the theoretical "Collab" Forum should be entered into the battle.

At the end of the year, I think that it'd be really really neat and exciting to see a full-out awards & recognition thing.  No prizes per se, but recognition.  More than a notice would be necessary at the top of the main forum page... more like a page all to itself containing the winners.  Best cover.  Most unique.  Most Well Produced.  Most original.  Best vocals.  Best all-digital creation (FL style, etc).  And maybe a few awards given to songs that are nominated for certain genres.  Best traditional rock, etc.  Best jazz.  Best Acoustic.  Blah blah.

I personally find those awards to be very interesting, and I would be terribly and unalterably interested in the outcomes!

The Quarterly system would call for a few changes in the current setup, IMO.  I say that a Nomination-AccetanceOfNomination system should be appended to what we've already got.  Anybody can nominate a song via the song's thread in Audio Review.  Once, say.... 5, 6, nominations have been made on a person's song, then a PM shows up in the author's mailbox requesting permission to accept the nomination.  (some people may not want to be involved, etc).  We could allow self-nominations, I suppose, but that's just a detail.  The voting system could remain exactly the same.  Once the acceptance has been made, then votes will actually mean something in terms of placing in the battle.  If your song is not entered into the battle (since it didn't get nominations) then the vote average (IMO) should still be visible to the author of the song on his/her My Music page.

Perhaps songs that have been nominated, but not enough nominations have been made to exceed the threshold (5 or 6+ or whatever), can have a page to themselves.  A little link can be placed in the above-forum notice about the battle's deadline for entering, etc.  That way, songs that have been already nominated once or twice can have a chance at being seen, to as to recieve the rest of the nominations necessary to enter the battle.  It would help decrease any "campaigning" that an artist might be inclined to do, to try to get people to nominate his/her song.

thoughts?  I can expound on the idea's layout a little more if anybody wants.  I'm thinking of making a couple of doctor'd up "screen shots" of the forum to help give a visual...  I don't really know where this idea of a new battle system falls in the priority of things to do/fix.
#2March 23rd, 2008 · 06:55 PM
112 threads / 96 songs
923 posts
United Kingdom
re: FROM FLYER COMMENT - new battle system
TonightsLastSong wrote…
FLYER7477 wrote…
There hasn't been a song that has qualifies in the last 3-4 battles...We have to think about restructuring our battle system...Battle's give incentive to musicians to be the best they can be...Since we have a donation kitty we could afford prizes for the competitors. 1st 2nd and 3rd place winners. It doesnt have to be a extravagant award. We could even make it cash prizes. $15.00 for 1st ...$10.00 for 2nd and for 3rd place .. This way the money can be spent on something that the artist wants for themself. and at the end of the year we could present a award to the Artist's that has the the top rated Song for the year(highest rating) This way members will be encouraged to enter songs in the battles and to rate / vote on them...we can also give awards for the yr to best rated collaborated/individual songs...Just a few thought's here....

Flyer

So, I was thinking... now that mud isn't officially running the site, there's no "free" stuff that gets to be thrown around.... like... he used to give away free ipod minis (when ipod mini was the new big thing) to the 1st place winner.  Now that we're headed into the open source direciton, we've only got our donations to scrape from, if we looking at giving money away (even a small amount would add up over time... and it'd be tragic if it got to the point where there weren't enough donations to support the prizes and we had to discontinue the system (again).

I was just thinking though....   (holy crap!!1! i just ate a reese's cup without taking the black wrapper off.  I'm an idiot.)  ... *ahem*... I was thinking about what FLYER just said about a yearly thing....  what if the turned the battle into something that was quarterly, rather than monthly?  That might seem like an eternity for those artists entered into the battle, but it might also be part of a bigger solution.  Between trying to reinstate some sort of miniature prize, and increasing the duration of the battles, we could try to revive them!

And, as an addition, I think a "best song of the year" and a runner-up would be really cool, too.  Good idea, flyer. 

(i'm sorry, this post is about to get huge... i apologize, really.  but i'm on a roll.)

Imagine this:

every 3 months, there's a battle that finishes.  March 31st, June 30th, September 30th, December 31st.  In the last 2 or 3 weeks of each battle period, there's a notice at the top of the main forum (and maybe sub forum) pages, to let everybody know that the battle is approaching it's finish date, and that people should be sure to rate for all of the songs that they listen to, even if they don't post a comment.  I dunno. Something short and to the point.

Then, after the battle finishes, for a couple weeks afterward, the notice is replaced by a brief "congrats" to the top 3 placers, where it links to each artist's profile and the song that placed.

I think that the battles probably just need more exposure, and then they'll blossom

And if the ideas presented by PX and discussed by myself and others concerning more options for your uploaded music are ever implamented, then songs that are allowed to be entered into battles if they are non-archived/non-noplay'able, etc.  In other words, only the songs found in the normal Audio Review forum and the theoretical "Collab" Forum should be entered into the battle.

At the end of the year, I think that it'd be really really neat and exciting to see a full-out awards & recognition thing.  No prizes per se, but recognition.  More than a notice would be necessary at the top of the main forum page... more like a page all to itself containing the winners.  Best cover.  Most unique.  Most Well Produced.  Most original.  Best vocals.  Best all-digital creation (FL style, etc).  And maybe a few awards given to songs that are nominated for certain genres.  Best traditional rock, etc.  Best jazz.  Best Acoustic.  Blah blah.

I personally find those awards to be very interesting, and I would be terribly and unalterably interested in the outcomes!

The Quarterly system would call for a few changes in the current setup, IMO.  I say that a Nomination-AccetanceOfNomination system should be appended to what we've already got.  Anybody can nominate a song via the song's thread in Audio Review.  Once, say.... 5, 6, nominations have been made on a person's song, then a PM shows up in the author's mailbox requesting permission to accept the nomination.  (some people may not want to be involved, etc).  We could allow self-nominations, I suppose, but that's just a detail.  The voting system could remain exactly the same.  Once the acceptance has been made, then votes will actually mean something in terms of placing in the battle.  If your song is not entered into the battle (since it didn't get nominations) then the vote average (IMO) should still be visible to the author of the song on his/her My Music page.

Perhaps songs that have been nominated, but not enough nominations have been made to exceed the threshold (5 or 6+ or whatever), can have a page to themselves.  A little link can be placed in the above-forum notice about the battle's deadline for entering, etc.  That way, songs that have been already nominated once or twice can have a chance at being seen, to as to recieve the rest of the nominations necessary to enter the battle.  It would help decrease any "campaigning" that an artist might be inclined to do, to try to get people to nominate his/her song.

thoughts?  I can expound on the idea's layout a little more if anybody wants.  I'm thinking of making a couple of doctor'd up "screen shots" of the forum to help give a visual...  I don't really know where this idea of a new battle system falls in the priority of things to do/fix.

Wow TLS you are certainley on a roll!!

I think it would help to summerise your ideas here, bullet pionts would help. Like your ideas BTW
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