Just to clarify what happened to it,

   I deleted the thread, I felt it served it's purpose, and that also, it was becoming to closed minded.. and I did not want that... We have to be careful what we say when discussing stuff like this.. because we can let personal emotion cloud judgement.. I try to stay fair and open all the time.. but it is hard..  One more and even more important thing, is this site IS about music, and staying true to the art...  It is about SHARING ideas, and HELPING each other... at the same time, it is MUD'S site, and HE makes the RULES. He stated here: http://forum.bandamp.com/The_Pit/10349.html  

 NO Hip hop or Rap, unless there is actual playing of instruments, hand drums etc... 

   and it is his site, so we must abide...  

          Jim K