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#16April 30th, 2009 · 03:12 PM
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Denis wrote…
Thanks TLS, yeah, I'm wondering what the alternatives would be to create the site other than front page and Netscape, I would like to be a little creative with it.
Cheers

To be honest, I usually do everything by hand... that is, typing it into a text editor.  It's bit more difficult to visualize what you're doing, but that's why I test a lot (and I mean a *LOT* ) in between small edits.

That's not really the solution for a lot of people.  My site building is often a mix of PHP/Python (which is "programming", without a doubt) and HTML (the actual website part).  So, I spend a lot more time in a text editor, because there's no such thing as a "visual" PHP/Python builder

I've felt like writing an "proper" HTML tutorial for a while-- something basic enough that you can understand how do it by hand, but without making your bored out of your mind.  You might not want to dive into the "by-hand" only approach right off the bat, but a lot of times you can use a visual editor, but then switch to the "source" view and make some tweaks.  That's helpful at times.

Anyway-- Not sure which route you want to go.  There are some great visual programs out there, but I can't claim that I'm super familiar with any of them.  If you're not interested in learning an entire program, just to figure out how to make a personal website, then I'd try to find a free visual editor... I'll look around and try a few out.

I'll keep you posted.
#17April 30th, 2009 · 03:19 PM
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I use dreamweaver and flash and they work great for me. have you tried those?

yeah keep us posted
#18April 30th, 2009 · 05:00 PM
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TheKunadiun wrote…
I use dreamweaver and flash and they work great for me. have you tried those?

yeah keep us posted

Funnily enough a web designer I know recommended dreamweaver today, but I don't really want to spend money, I think it''s about 60.00 GBP.
I tried working on the site today with microsoft frontpage, but I'm not making any progress [just wasn't happy with what I created], I supoose I need time or some training.  Someone also suggested to to copy ideas from other sites, which i think is a great idea, i would simply use the same or similar layout and tweek it to my own preference, however having tried it today on frontpage it throws everything out, i couldn't figure out how to rectify it.

If it becomes too much for me i think I'll end up using a ready made template like TLS suggested

I've also googled, there are a couple of websites that specialise in creating music websites, I don't know how much yet.
#19April 30th, 2009 · 05:09 PM
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TonightsLastSong wrote…
Denis wrote…
Thanks TLS, yeah, I'm wondering what the alternatives would be to create the site other than front page and Netscape, I would like to be a little creative with it.
Cheers

To be honest, I usually do everything by hand... that is, typing it into a text editor.  It's bit more difficult to visualize what you're doing, but that's why I test a lot (and I mean a *LOT* ) in between small edits.

That's not really the solution for a lot of people.  My site building is often a mix of PHP/Python (which is "programming", without a doubt) and HTML (the actual website part).  So, I spend a lot more time in a text editor, because there's no such thing as a "visual" PHP/Python builder

I've felt like writing an "proper" HTML tutorial for a while-- something basic enough that you can understand how do it by hand, but without making your bored out of your mind.  You might not want to dive into the "by-hand" only approach right off the bat, but a lot of times you can use a visual editor, but then switch to the "source" view and make some tweaks.  That's helpful at times.

Anyway-- Not sure which route you want to go.  There are some great visual programs out there, but I can't claim that I'm super familiar with any of them.  If you're not interested in learning an entire program, just to figure out how to make a personal website, then I'd try to find a free visual editor... I'll look around and try a few out.

I'll keep you posted.

Wow TLS this looks like I'd need to spend a lot of time learning. Don't bust a gut over this, I'm already struggling and not even started, I think I may go the route of using a ready made template and tweaking it a bit. Or depending how much it will cost I could pay for someone to create one, I imagine were're talking a lot of cash.
#20April 30th, 2009 · 05:11 PM
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Dreamweaver is for pros  because its more well known in the industry and  to be honest composer can do everything Dreamweaver can do.... its all just about scripts *s  you can also borrow other website sources and  change them to your liking...... all in all.... its just such a really user friendly editor and a great way to learn even the most difficult layouts or just do  basic...... it can do it all..... doesnt hurt to try a few of them... what I like about composer... is I can build a simple website within a couple minutes..... or is I need an advanced site,,,,, (much more advanced then the one I posted about  the wheelbarrows)  it will handle that as well.. along with a built in tutorial,,,, its basically notepad but it lets you layout  your site at any level,, from beginner to the most advanced.  Never hurts to have a few editors..... but again..... I dont recommend frontpage... thats for sure
#21May 1st, 2009 · 04:44 AM
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Something like this
I've been surfing the net and came across a company producing musician web sites like this one

http://www.namolibrennet.com/

I quite like it, ideally I would like to create something like this. What would be the easiest way?

Cheers

Denis
#22May 1st, 2009 · 06:02 AM
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re: Something like this
Denis wrote…
I've been surfing the net and came across a company producing musician web sites like this one

http://www.namolibrennet.com/

I quite like it, ideally I would like to create something like this. What would be the easiest way?

Well, the best way to start any site is to focus on the layout... you know- the way the page sits on the screen in front of you.  Namoli's site is using something called a "frameset", which is gibberish for saying that her music player is in a separate web page, but it's being instructed to show itself at the bottom of your screen.  so effectively, she's showing you two pages at once.

As for the main content, she's gone for the Stonehenge shape... the header across the top, and then the rest of the content is in two columns: left column is her "meat and potatoes", and the right column is her highlights, like shows, etc.

Once you've got your mind set on an idea for a layout, just start blocking it out in very simple shapes.  In all honestly, web pages are just a series of boxes, some nested inside of one another, until you get the positioning that you want.  After that, it's all just colors and images.

Most pages have a 'header' of some sort on them, which in a lot of cases includes the main menu to help you navigate.  While I'd try to keep in mind what sorts of content you want to put in the header, I'd start off just making it a big rectangle with some ugly colored background.  And then as the layout starts to come together, you can start getting more specific/picky (all the same anyway, huh? ) about what you want things to look like.

A few pointers, in terms of general design:
-- avoid distracting fonts.  It's tempting to get something crazy going on, but if the person viewing your page doesn't already have the font, it can lead to problems.

-- also in terms of font, try to stick to something simple like "Arial", "Veranda" and other such "sans-serif" fonts.  that's just a big  term for fonts that are nice and smooth and can get into mid/large font sizes without looking blocky at all.  San-serif fonts will almost always look better.

-- try to ignore details until you get to that point where you've got nothing else to work on but details.  By "details", I mean stuff like background images (unless you've already got one handy), or links that go out to other websites.  Fill in your content really generally until you feel confident that it's time to solidify a section or two.  The trouble with being picky on details when you first start out is that if you have to change something about the layout, all of your hard work will most likely be ruined 

-- Pick some nice colors.  Use a site like http://kuler.adobe.com/ to get something that really works together.  It's an amazing tool.  If you have an image that you'd like to base a color scheme on, you can upload it and it'll automatically grab the color range from it, too.  Amazing stuff.

And I'd say that that's a good start!  Don't be discouraged if you can't figure out something satisfying right at first.  It's all about inspiration.
#23May 1st, 2009 · 01:24 PM
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re: re: Something like this
TonightsLastSong wrote…
Denis wrote…
I've been surfing the net and came across a company producing musician web sites like this one

http://www.namolibrennet.com/

I quite like it, ideally I would like to create something like this. What would be the easiest way?

Well, the best way to start any site is to focus on the layout... you know- the way the page sits on the screen in front of you.  Namoli's site is using something called a "frameset", which is gibberish for saying that her music player is in a separate web page, but it's being instructed to show itself at the bottom of your screen.  so effectively, she's showing you two pages at once.

As for the main content, she's gone for the Stonehenge shape... the header across the top, and then the rest of the content is in two columns: left column is her "meat and potatoes", and the right column is her highlights, like shows, etc.

Well TLS this is a great fundamental tutorial, I would post this on lessons or something, it really serves as a great foundation, thanks for your time and effort.
Next I'm going to  try out some software to see which one I can work with, at the same time create something worth while.  If I stay patient & motivated, I should hopefully have something that is appealing, easy to for the viewer to navigate and encourage them to listen/download my music, which will be free.

I'll keep you posted

Cheers

Once you've got your mind set on an idea for a layout, just start blocking it out in very simple shapes.  In all honestly, web pages are just a series of boxes, some nested inside of one another, until you get the positioning that you want.  After that, it's all just colors and images.

Most pages have a 'header' of some sort on them, which in a lot of cases includes the main menu to help you navigate.  While I'd try to keep in mind what sorts of content you want to put in the header, I'd start off just making it a big rectangle with some ugly colored background.  And then as the layout starts to come together, you can start getting more specific/picky (all the same anyway, huh? ) about what you want things to look like.

A few pointers, in terms of general design:
-- avoid distracting fonts.  It's tempting to get something crazy going on, but if the person viewing your page doesn't already have the font, it can lead to problems.

-- also in terms of font, try to stick to something simple like "Arial", "Veranda" and other such "sans-serif" fonts.  that's just a big  term for fonts that are nice and smooth and can get into mid/large font sizes without looking blocky at all.  San-serif fonts will almost always look better.

-- try to ignore details until you get to that point where you've got nothing else to work on but details.  By "details", I mean stuff like background images (unless you've already got one handy), or links that go out to other websites.  Fill in your content really generally until you feel confident that it's time to solidify a section or two.  The trouble with being picky on details when you first start out is that if you have to change something about the layout, all of your hard work will most likely be ruined 

-- Pick some nice colors.  Use a site like http://kuler.adobe.com/ to get something that really works together.  It's an amazing tool.  If you have an image that you'd like to base a color scheme on, you can upload it and it'll automatically grab the color range from it, too.  Amazing stuff.

And I'd say that that's a good start!  Don't be discouraged if you can't figure out something satisfying right at first.  It's all about inspiration.
#24May 1st, 2009 · 08:33 PM
340 threads / 59 songs
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United Kingdom
You know and use Torrents dont you?
There are also lots of free text editors around.....you shouldn't have to spend money on it
Spend your time on it, that's more valuable!

I doubt very much you'll find a template web page to play sounds...I dont know for a fact though because I'd write my own anyway.
All the templates I've come across are geared towards showing pictures, playing sound is a different subject.

If you like the lay out of a web page you can view it's source, save it as your 'test.html' and make it your own by changing the text and the pictures.
This will still take a lot of time in a text editor and Photoshop....you do have Photoshop? It helps a lot when wanting to be creative with web pages...!!
You know and use Torrents dont you?

You can use a 'visual editor' to create your web page, MS Word or a program like CoolPage (I know of from years ago!!) but you will ultimately, inevitably want to go into the code, whether from curiosity, from wanting to put something extra in there like a cool MP3 Flash player or for want of understanding why the fucking thing wont do what you want it to do !
So you either have to take the red pill or ask a friend to write a page for you.

I really like TopStyle because I love CSS and it's such a nice program to use and I'm not a programmer so I dont have to work in a simple text editor the whole time but I do have EmEditor, Notepad++ and Notepad2 to 'send to'.
I find Dreamweaver a bit too much to write in but I do use it to manage and synchronize my work. I do the odd edit with it but it can also 'have a mind of it's own'
I use FrontPage sometimes, I find it makes really good buttons.....
I also like CSE HTML Validator, because you can write your own 'input text' in each floating tab; CSS, JS, HTML, PHP....each tab is an alphabetical list of codes to put on your page, but you can also write your own...it's dead handy.

Any questions?  
#25May 2nd, 2009 · 05:29 AM
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kings wrote…
You know and use Torrents dont you?
There are also lots of free text editors around.....you shouldn't have to spend money on it
Spend your time on it, that's more valuable!

I doubt very much you'll find a template web page to play sounds...I dont know for a fact though because I'd write my own anyway.
All the templates I've come across are geared towards showing pictures, playing sound is a different subject.

If you like the lay out of a web page you can view it's source, save it as your 'test.html' and make it your own by changing the text and the pictures.
This will still take a lot of time in a text editor and Photoshop....you do have Photoshop? It helps a lot when wanting to be creative with web pages...!!
You know and use Torrents dont you?

You can use a 'visual editor' to create your web page, MS Word or a program like CoolPage (I know of from years ago!!) but you will ultimately, inevitably want to go into the code, whether from curiosity, from wanting to put something extra in there like a cool MP3 Flash player or for want of understanding why the fucking thing wont do what you want it to do !
So you either have to take the red pill or ask a friend to write a page for you.

I really like TopStyle because I love CSS and it's such a nice program to use and I'm not a programmer so I dont have to work in a simple text editor the whole time but I do have EmEditor, Notepad++ and Notepad2 to 'send to'.
I find Dreamweaver a bit too much to write in but I do use it to manage and synchronize my work. I do the odd edit with it but it can also 'have a mind of it's own'
I use FrontPage sometimes, I find it makes really good buttons.....
I also like CSE HTML Validator, because you can write your own 'input text' in each floating tab; CSS, JS, HTML, PHP....each tab is an alphabetical list of codes to put on your page, but you can also write your own...it's dead handy.

Any questions?   :o

This is great Kings, this gives me many options to choose from and helpful tips.  I got a little frustrated with the whole idea a couple of days ago, so now I'm just simple gonna try out everything that all Ampers & colleagues have suggested. It's worth it to take my time over it and create something decent.
I'm also gonna look on youtube, I've picked up some great tutorials on it before, I just need the basics I think, then just play around with it. All too often when I learn something new, at first it seems a really hard road, but when I get into it and start to find my way around it gets easier and then ultimately I have fun and enjoy it.

Thanks again.
#26May 2nd, 2009 · 10:44 AM
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United Kingdom
Dreaweaver youtube tutorial
#27May 2nd, 2009 · 09:04 PM
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United States of America
heh, i might have a look at those myself one day.  i've never used it!
#28May 2nd, 2009 · 10:16 PM
181 threads / 54 songs
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Canada
dreamweaver is the greatest*

*dreamweaver may or may not actually be the greatest. greatness subject to change. results may vary. this is not a payed employee of adobe.
#29May 3rd, 2009 · 03:57 AM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,375 posts
United Kingdom
This is a artist I know from another site I used to upload my music, what do yo think of his website?
He is a very accomplished songwriter too IMO.
http://www.dantharpmusic.com/

This section on his site gives some tips on how it was created, awesome.

http://www.dantharpmusic.com/Credits.aspx
#30May 3rd, 2009 · 09:24 AM
340 threads / 59 songs
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United Kingdom
Just followed that link to Dans site....very very cool! 
That's a beautiful example of someone whose sat down and done it him self.....He's spent a lot of time at dynamicdrive.com lol, he's picked up loads of cool bits of code and integrated them all into his page.
He does not mention where he picked up the basics though, have you been to w3schools.com yet?
But what he has made is not difficult with the right tools the right questions and the right answers.
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