#1February 18th, 2007 · 10:41 AM
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12 string story
OK...  So here's the deal...

   I got ot Guitar Center, and they have a 60's Gibson 12 string... Looks decent, sounds ok...  I play it for about 40 minutes straight..  Then move on to a Yamaha, and an Epi that are new...I like the Gibson, it feels good...

 It is darker than I normally like, but that 's something I think I could really get used to...So, I go back the next day and play some more...  I am starting to enjoy the sound more now...  The neck feels super... ok....

I go back the next day, play again for about 30 minutes... Yup, it's a done deal, I buy it... I talked him down to $699...So, He's ringing me up...Another sales guy comes in and says "So, you bought the Gibby eh?" and gives it a strum, the top goes *POP* and *CRAAAAK*..  We all just look at him, he is white as a ghost... so, now I just bought a guitar that is broken...They feel terrible..  They were glad it happened to him and not me(I AM TOO)

 So, now I start getting bombarded with every twelve string they have...  They offered me many of them at the same price, many that were more expensive..  but I liked this Breedlove the best..  SO I got the Breedlove, with a Deluxe Hardshell case for the same price $699..  It's on sale right now for $699 with a gigbag, if anyone is interested.. They gave me the case... I didn't really feel comfortable taking anything else, I just wanted a guitar that felt good and sounded good..  The Gibby was one.. THis Breedlove blows the Gibby away, I never thought about Breedlove before...  Man, I am glad I played this one...
Pictures and a sound clip are here:
 
     
   http://jkoontz.com/breedlove.html

                  What a day that was! sheeesh....
       
                                 JimK
#2February 18th, 2007 · 04:26 PM
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Heh, I just got a 6 string Fender CD-60 w/ cutaway. They were selling them for $179.00 with a natural wood finish, non-electric, without a cutaway. I got it with a cutaway, sunburst finish, and electric. Fender sent them the wrong guitar. That guitar sells at $375.50!
#3February 18th, 2007 · 04:26 PM
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United States of America
Oh yea, it also came with a hard shell case!
#4February 27th, 2007 · 01:05 PM
37 threads / 19 songs
618 posts
United States of America
Gibby 12 string
I owned a 1972 Gibson Dove 12 string... you want
to talk about a sweet axe!!! not a day goes by I don't
wish I had that guitar still..... I have owned a Takamine
12 - acoustic/electric since 1981.. and I do love it..
have owned almost every electric 12 string made,
and many of the acoustics.. double necks. (three gibson
ebs 1275's.. each at different time.. I still have the
tak 12 and a 1978 daion 12 string and an ovation
double neck.. if I can't have that  72 Dove back,
I'll stick with the Tak.. maybe guitar models are
simply a crap shoot, cause this one has ripped the
throats out of every other 12 strings I have ever
touched or owned.. next to the Gibby that is...
The Gibson was a strange bird for a dove.. it was
a jumbo body 12 dressed with all dove dressings..
one of the Gibson kalamazoo friday afternoon
specials if you know that story.. if not, another
time then..

Dan
#5April 22nd, 2007 · 12:54 AM
37 threads / 19 songs
618 posts
United States of America
12 strings,
12 String Guitars, Not for the weak at heart!!!

  In every true musicians life she or he has over the years,
times when he raises to a level that even takes him or her
into a feeling of enlightenment that comes only a few times
over the person's whole life span!!   this afternoon I was
playing my takamine and felt like I was about to just take
off on an out of body flight upon discovering a new melody.
when I snapped out of it (which wasn't drug or alcohol induced)
I took it to my piano where I quickly recorded it in cool edit...
so I have at least been able to keep from loosing it as I have done
in the past with thousands of complete lyrics and melodies that
were sent by what ever the curse - inspiration has been...
 you got the breed bro.. you will someday feel just why it is a
instrument that makes a guitarist a stand aside picker that
commands respect of so many!!!  I have been told it was a
real man's guitar.. Well I can only say that I do know I have
always been able to secure a place for myself when I came
out with my 12strings and double necks.. 
 Right now I have so much going on, I can not stop long
enough to learn some form of mechanical drafting software
such as cad... I was exposed to a gibson harp guitar.
or which ever was the ten string bass model...  it's owner
had told me of a few problems he had to have a luthier
correct with it's original bracing system..  so I started
diving into the history of stringed instruments and bracing
systems.. as you know, in 1975, that information came
through what was available through the libraries, local
luthiers and correspondence between others around the
globe.. patent records as well as personal historical accounts
of the families that forged out instruments... I had found
a very obsolete violin maker and his own plans that included
an attempt at using a brace that was awesome for structural
integrity of stringed instruments.. main concern the sound
board and just as much the concern with how it will virbirate
enough to effectively ring out it's sound...  his design seriously
compromised that part of it.. so of course it never caught on..
well a major part of the reason I latched on to his train of thought
and took it to consideration when I designed my own bracing
system was because of another feet of major woodworking
engineering that my father had in his own personal treasures
from his travels abroad during his military days... I studied
this piece as much as I was allowed to when ever he would
take it out to show it to other people he met.. within a few
short months I had traced it down through the library to
it's origin and design... with this and the simple but misplaced
idea of the violin maker, I came up with a bracing system that
will change the way acoustic - stringed instruments are made
till the end of time.. both sides of my family had been plagued
with inventing things that because of their own insecurities,
missed the boat when it came time to patent and get the
credit.. not speaking of financial gain, as my personal goal
is much more lofty..  that is to forge a place where this system
and my own three very specific harp guitar designs will
be talked about hundreds of years after I am gone..
Very similar to the way any guitarist, short of a non-american
classical and spanish guitarist, on the face of this earth knows
the name of say Orville Gibson, Leo Fender and the rest are
known...  same with my very unique design of a very special
trombone..  My harp guitars would only stand alone without
the bracing system on the merit of the configurations that
sets them aside for any other ever made by Knusten - Dyer
or Gibson.. Even the historical german models.. etc etc...
But yet my harp guitars will be the perfect proving ground
for my bracing system.. you see each waits to be born for
the sole purpose of supporting the birth and life of the
other!!  My system, on paper, could with stand up close to
980 foot pounds of tension, stress and pressure on the
soundboard of a stringed instrument... 
before I turned 16yrs old my father had gotten the same
friend where he worked that sold him the 1958 black beauty,
to help draft the plans and blueprints to my system and
two of my  harp guitars.... the third I speak of has only been
conceived within the last 15 years when I became aware of
two other designer - luthier's own versions of the old gibson
body style h.g.... that man passed away a few years after.. found
out also that he had not made other copies of my work to keep
in his own records.. his wife wouldn't even let him keep to many
hard copies of anything due to the space they had... so when
all of it was lost along with the list of other things I mentioned
in a previous post on one of the forums - blogs.. needless to say
I was and have had a very bad blockage there ever sense... but
if it's in my cards to live to see more then two plug nickels to
rub together before I go.. I will see all three made.. and will then
share more of the design then I have with to many people up to date..
yes I have over the years made some very rough sketches and showed
them to three people that due to the nature, took me many years to
even trust that much... they as well as the other few that I have verbally
described it all to.. leaving out enough to not give away the farm,
all agree this will have more of an impact then even I have envisioned..
and there are still to this day, two of those latter that still contact me
quite regularly trying to convince me to go ahead and give it to them to
complete.. the two I am talking about, I have no doubt in my heart, would
stamp it with a brand other then mine and leave me in the dust..
 
 well what has this all got to do with you getting that gibson?
shudda got it out of them for say a hundred then had it retro-fitted
with my system.. I at least hope you got half the axe with the breedlove..
but still glad you got a 12.. and know if you make it one of your very
favs, (my tak is still the preferred weapon of choice and always will be)
you will in fact be able to easily step up and make your mark!! You are
ten times the guitarist I will ever hope to be.. I'm a pianist remember??
but bass, 12string and other acoustic rythms, brass.. all were easy to
be able to use after I wedged myself in.. may not have been half the
musician I should have been.. but have had the chance to be in the
race at times... not sure if it was the 12 or just my ability to put off
my own insecurities and dive into the middle of it all..



Blessings,

Dan....

p.s. guess I could've said it all without the small russian novel..
tolstoy has flip flopped several times now moaning for me to
stop there!!

#6April 22nd, 2007 · 01:06 AM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
re: 12 strings,
Blueyes wrote…
12 String Guitars, Not for the weak at heart!!! ;)

True dat!
blueeyes wrote…
Get that gibson bro..
Problem, The Gibson is in Pieces somewhere...  I dunno what happened to it after it exploded...
blueyes wrote…
well what has this all got to do with you getting that gibson?
if you're man enough to play it and willing to step up to the plate
every time given the chance, get it..  it's worth it and then some..
I so easily relate to the beatles song while this guitar gently weeps,
and john denver's this old guitar... as I have felt so many very
spiritual highs just through my 12 strings... that and as I said, managed
to forge my place among the crowd to stand above it!!


Blessings,

Dan....

p.s. guess I could've said it all without the small russian novel..
tolstoy has flip flopped several times now moaning for me to
stop there!!

;)

Yeah, but without the Novel, it wouldn't be you!    Seriously though, I did as seen above get the Breedlove 12, and have recorded a few songs with it, including the one on here titled Stumbling Blocks

  JimK
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