#1October 9th, 2012 · 03:14 AM
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Help Reading Music
I'm trying to learn Beethovan's Moonlite Sonata 1st movement on my new Casio digital piano. I've always struggled to read music, I really don't know want it is, but I loose patience very quickly, find it hard to concentrate.
I've always managed to learn music by ear, my ear reading is good in comparison, but learning a classical piece is a different ball game.
Has anyone got good tips on how I can develop reading music. I need a plan on how I can slowly develop. Reading music is my weakest aspect of playing an instrument, if I can learn how to read music effectively it will open up another avenue for me, I could start to learn challenging pieces hopefully.
#2October 13th, 2012 · 05:10 AM
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Hmmm.. Can anyone sight read?? Would appreciate some feedback, I'm keen to hear your views.
#3October 15th, 2012 · 06:21 AM
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you are attempting to learn a fairly advanced piece of music,  To learn to read music you should start at the beginning, learning the notes on the staff, what ll the symbols mead etc.  Beginning piano books, or something along those lines.. There are also some websites that teach music and piano..

 I also really like Mark Levine's Jazz theory book. 

I can read and used to be real good at sight reading,  Not so good at sight reading anymore, it's something you have to practice and keep up at it.  It only takes time. So what else are you going to do.. If you want to learn it and be able to sight read.. Practice practice practice..
#4October 15th, 2012 · 12:23 PM
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toastedgoat wrote…
you are attempting to learn a fairly advanced piece of music,  To learn to read music you should start at the beginning, learning the notes on the staff, what ll the symbols mead etc.  Beginning piano books, or something along those lines.. There are also some websites that teach music and piano..

 I also really like Mark Levine's Jazz theory book. 

I can read and used to be real good at site reading,  Not so good at sight reading anymore, it's something you have to practice and keep up at it.  It only takes time. So what else are you going to do.. If you want to learn it and be able to sight read.. Practice practice practice..

Thanks Goat - Good practical advice - I ordered a book from Amazon, should get it Wednesday, it's had good reviews.  Like you said I need to start from the beginning, and practice. I've no problem practising, so long as I'm making progress. I've been practising or playing should I say my new Casio Digital Piano EVERY DAY since I got it about ten days ago - I love it. I see it as a good songwriting tool, but I need to become more familiar with it before I can create well.
#5October 15th, 2012 · 03:51 PM
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Try to read this and you're ready for realtime reading

#6October 16th, 2012 · 02:26 AM
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TritonKeyboarder wrote…
Try to read this and you're ready for realtime reading

Thanks TK. I will certainly have a twinkle in my eye if ever I get to read in real time the first example...
#7October 16th, 2012 · 02:55 AM
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Huhuhaha....
What a chaos.......is this a Stockhausen notation ??? Or has someone thrown some mud at a wall ?
Thats why I never learned reading sheets................its always looking like the first one.
#8December 13th, 2015 · 02:27 AM
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Sigh reading is very advanced for me, just chord is OK but not notation.
#9December 13th, 2015 · 03:42 AM
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gth wrote…
Sigh reading is very advanced for me, just chord is OK but not notation.
I put this thread up a long time ago - I've made no advancement in sheet reading, I did however come across an excellent YouTube video that taught Moonlight Sonata note for note. It was a challenge which I stuck to and practiced a little every day, learning one section at a time and repeating it until it was engrained in my head. Even though I managed to learn back then, I've forgotten it again, which is where sight reading music has its advantages.
I uploaded my effort on Moonlight Sonata here on the AMP, it's by no means a perfect performance, but it was about the best I could do at the time and I got through the whole piece from start to finish without stopping.

My main instrument is guitar, if I'd practiced the Piano I would have remembered more.
#10May 11th, 2016 · 01:09 AM
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Sight Reading
Hi Dennis,
It has been a very long time since I have been on this site but feel it is time to get back to creating and this is a great place for that.  Exploring the site and ran across your post.  Anyway, wondered if you are still working on this?

 If so, a trick I have  used with students is to put a piece of tape on the keys that correspond to the lines of the staff for both bass and treble staffs. Makes it easier to correlate the keys with the notes on the paper.  Like Goat sad, start with easy music and work up to harder stuff.  Go SLOW and practice.  When practicing, work on a phrase at a time and keep working on it until you can play it 3 times in a row at normal speed without a mistake.   Break the phrase down into a measure at a time if you need to but expand it to the entire phrase before you move on to the next phrase. I find that doing a phrase rather than a measure at a time helps keep the continuity of the song in place. 

Hope that helps.
Matt
#11May 11th, 2016 · 11:57 AM
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re: Sight Reading
pianorph wrote…
Hi Dennis,
It has been a very long time since I have been on this site but feel it is time to get back to creating and this is a great place for that.  Exploring the site and ran across your post.  Anyway, wondered if you are still working on this?

 If so, a trick I have  used with students is to put a piece of tape on the keys that correspond to the lines of the staff for both bass and treble staffs. Makes it easier to correlate the keys with the notes on the paper.  Like Goat sad, start with easy music and work up to harder stuff.  Go SLOW and practice.  When practicing, work on a phrase at a time and keep working on it until you can play it 3 times in a row at normal speed without a mistake.   Break the phrase down into a measure at a time if you need to but expand it to the entire phrase before you move on to the next phrase. I find that doing a phrase rather than a measure at a time helps keep the continuity of the song in place. 

Hope that helps.
Matt
Great practical advise for either anyone new into playing an instrument, or someone like me who has played for many years and wanting to learn how to site read.

Despite my will and determination of wanting to learn, I never got off to a good start of learning to site read.  My will wore thin and I gave up.

Its not the end of the world as fortunately there are so many different ways to learn anything.  If I remember correctly, I wanted to learn how to play Moonlight Sonata all the way through thinking I would have to be able to site read to accomplish it Its something I always wanted to be able to do.  After trying to site read and giving up the ghost, I fortunately came across a YouTube tutorial broke down in many parts, over ten I think.  I started out initially thinking I would not be able to get all the way through it, but I persevered and made progress.  Interestingly enough like in your post, the tutor broke down the music into phrases, learning one piece at a time.  Once I got to about a third of the way of the complete tutorial, I started to believe that I would be able to see it through to the end.  Low and behold I learned the piece all the way through and Uploaded a take here on the AMP.  The only negative side to learning music like this is that after a few months, admittedly not practicing, I forgot how to play it. 

If was able to site read, I would not have had this problem, assuming that Id practice site reading.

Just as well I have a good ear.
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