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#1November 10th, 2012 · 02:45 PM
371 threads / 187 songs
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United Kingdom
Moonlight Sonata (rendition)
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I recently purchased a Casio Hammer Action Digital Piano (CDP120) - It's a budget Piano, but has a USB midi interface. I sampled a few VST's and liked Pianoteq v2.3 the best, although I believe it's only good for mellow music, it seems to compress quite a bit if you play aggressively. When I was in my twenties about 30 years ago a cousin of mine who is classically trained showed me a few bars of Moonlight Sonata. Until now I've never dreamed of learning it until now.  I'm hopeless at reading music, but found a superb YouTube tutorial to learn it.  Well I managed to learn it, which was a challenge in itself, to play it was and is my biggest challenge.  I realize now that if I want to be able to play the Piano well, I'll have to start from the ground up, which is precisely what I'm going to do.

There are many mistakes in this take, but I thought I'd share it with you how the Piano sounds and for you experienced Pianists can help me start from scratch with a structure on how to improve

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#2November 13th, 2012 · 11:09 AM
341 threads / 59 songs
4,361 posts
Cymru (Wales)
Aaaa! I've become an old fart !! I'm absolutely loving this.
Yes a few misses but SO nice.
Sound is compressed, though has a nice feel, I would have thought you'd have gone for a sound with more sharp clarity.

I see why these pieces have to be perfect .... it's so delicate, and the flow must be complete
#3November 13th, 2012 · 01:26 PM
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United Kingdom
kings wrote…
Aaaa! I've become an old fart !! I'm absolutely loving this.
Yes a few misses but SO nice.
Sound is compressed, though has a nice feel, I would have thought you'd have gone for a sound with more sharp clarity.

I see why these pieces have to be perfect .... it's so delicate, and the flow must be complete

Yes indeed this piece is to be played softly, timing/flow is very important.
So yeah now I've got this out the way, too advanced for me to get it perfect, too much to handle, I'm going to start from the basics.  I've ordered some music for beginners, which I should receive this week. It's important to make steady progress. The courses are designed so that you naturally progress giving your brain and everything else associated with playing, time to get to know the instrument. My main goal is to be able to read music effectively in that I can learn new music.  It doesn't need to be at the standard where I can play new music straight off, just enough for me to learn new pieces. It's something I've never had patience or even the will to learn - strange as I'm getting older, I have more ambition to learn. I really think if I can get reasonably good on the Piano, it will open up a new world of songwriting.
#4November 15th, 2012 · 05:37 PM
37 threads / 30 songs
166 posts
United States of America
OK,  so I'm getting lost in this song as I listen as always happens with Moonlight Sonata. Love the dark emotions this piece invokes. The "Evanescence" of its time, haunting and beautifull.  Did not notice any problems with it.  Sound and performance were nice....SkunkApe
#5November 15th, 2012 · 06:37 PM
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United Kingdom
Playing
Me and sue just sat back together and enjoyed this

Thank you

Fish and sue
#6November 16th, 2012 · 01:57 AM
371 threads / 187 songs
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United Kingdom
SkunkApe wrote…
OK,  so I'm getting lost in this song as I listen as always happens with Moonlight Sonata. Love the dark emotions this piece invokes. The "Evanescence" of its time, haunting and beautifull.  Did not notice any problems with it.  Sound and performance were nice....SkunkApe
Interesting that you could not detect any problems with my performance, I sensed when I recorded it if I could concentrate on keeping the flow and the feel of the piece, people not familiar with the whole song are less likely to detect my mistakes. It really has taught me a thing or two learning this and one is to break down your performances and perfect each part before going onto the next rather than trying to do it in one go. I'm now thinking on creating an epic song where it hardley repeats, I've never had the patience or imagination to create one other than one of my songs called 'Sake', but the lead guitar in that piece was mainly ad lib.
Thanks for your comments
#7November 16th, 2012 · 01:59 AM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,398 posts
United Kingdom
re: Playing
swordfish wrote…
Me and sue just sat back together and enjoyed this

Thank you

Fish and sue
Thanks for listening
#8November 17th, 2012 · 04:14 AM
117 threads / 27 songs
1,057 posts
Germany
You´re always aiming high, Denis van Beethoven.
Now you´re ging to learn reading music, playing classic piano and................you´re doing well.
Not bad for a "rookie".
 I like the dynamic of your play which the piano can reproduce. Pretty sensitive.

U.L.I.
#9July 5th, 2013 · 07:18 PM
1 threads / 1 songs
12 posts
Australia
Amazing
I've always wanted to learn that YouTube tutorial. I'm definitely going to give it a shot now. Very nicely done.
#10July 6th, 2013 · 02:33 AM
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re: Amazing
Swarm wrote…
I've always wanted to learn that YouTube tutorial. I'm definitely going to give it a shot now. Very nicely done.
Glad I have have been some inspiration. Stick with it, you need to to work on it every day to make steady progress, at least that's what I found. At first I doubted if I would learn the entire song. From memory the YouTube tutorial had ten parts. I think when I got to about no 4 I started to believe I could complete the song. It sure did feel great when I did, recording was another great feeling, it was not easy and by no means a perfect performance, but I think I did OK for a rookie.
Good luck with it, let us know how you get on.
#11July 6th, 2013 · 07:26 AM
92 threads / 12 songs
911 posts
United States of America
I don't know how I missed this one back in November. Moonlight Sonata holds a special place in my heart and I have always wanted to learn it. Listening to your rendition of this and thinking about your account of how you learned this I remain amazed at how difficult and complex this piece can be - and how well you performed it. Beautiful!
#12July 6th, 2013 · 02:09 PM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,398 posts
United Kingdom
battlecat wrote…
I don't know how I missed this one back in November. Moonlight Sonata holds a special place in my heart and I have always wanted to learn it. Listening to your rendition of this and thinking about your account of how you learned this I remain amazed at how difficult and complex this piece can be - and how well you performed it. Beautiful!
I was quite exited when I got the Casio Piano. It helped me learn the song. I worked on it everyday, each day I'd repeat what I'd learned, then added a little extra. It's amazing how you can learn things with a little determination and perseverance. I was even going to learn how to read music, unfortunately my passion diminished. However, one nice thing happened when I learned Moonlight Sonata, I created a lovely piano piece which was influenced by it. It's probably the best Piano competition I've created so far.
I hope you find time to do the same, I don't regret it for one moment, the sense of achievement was most gratifying. At the moment I'm getting into videography and photography. You may have seen some covers I've uploaded on the AMP.
Cheers
#13July 27th, 2013 · 10:43 PM
128 threads / 44 songs
2,814 posts
Puerto Rico
eeeerrrr//////Spechless!....As Flyer used to say... rated...and to the max!...100%
#14July 28th, 2013 · 05:47 AM
64 threads / 13 songs
669 posts
United States of America
One of the first things I taught myself on the piano. Love this movement.

So, criticisms first: waaaaay too much pedal. I know the sheet music says pedal all the way through, but in Beethoven's day the pianos weren't made as well as they are now and pedals weren't as efficient as they are today. I play this with a half-pedal for half the sustain, and the best recordings I have heard do the same.

Playing mistakes aside, the fluidity of the piece gets thrown off when you have to play the double speed octaves in your right hand every time. Listen to someone of Kempff's calibre for the flow and motion of the notes to understand what I mean.

Your dynamic touch needs a bit more range for this piece. Listen to the structure and see where dynamics needs to come in.

I also don't like Pianoteq—it's a bit muddy on the low end, and needs a lot of work in post to get sounding the way I like.

Good things: I can't believe that you successfully pulled this off as a piano newbie. It's truly awesome. With some practice, you'll be playing whatever you want. It's wonderful that as a gifted musician you can pick up a wide variety of instruments and play them all with ease.
#15July 28th, 2013 · 06:06 AM
371 threads / 187 songs
3,398 posts
United Kingdom
avinashv wrote…
One of the first things I taught myself on the piano. Love this movement.

So, criticisms first: waaaaay too much pedal. I know the sheet music says pedal all the way through, but in Beethoven's day the pianos weren't made as well as they are now and pedals weren't as efficient as they are today. I play this with a half-pedal for half the sustain, and the best recordings I have heard do the same.

Playing mistakes aside, the fluidity of the piece gets thrown off when you have to play the double speed octaves in your right hand every time. Listen to someone of Kempff's calibre for the flow and motion of the notes to understand what I mean.

Your dynamic touch needs a bit more range for this piece. Listen to the structure and see where dynamics needs to come in.

I also don't like Pianoteq—it's a bit muddy on the low end, and needs a lot of work in post to get sounding the way I like.

Good things: I can't believe that you successfully pulled this off as a piano newbie. It's truly awesome. With some practice, you'll be playing whatever you want. It's wonderful that as a gifted musician you can pick up a wide variety of instruments and play them all with ease.
I understand what you mean about the sustain - I did not play around with the settings on Pianoteq, later to discover that the preset has too much sustain, unrealistic. Also the dynamic range is limited, but it can be tweaked. kings mentioned it being muddy, again I later found a way of brightening it up.
I still prefer Pianoteq to many others I've tried, but I'm open to suggestions.
What software do you prefer out of interest.
From being enthusiastic about learning the Piano, I find myself back on to my main instrument, the guitar. Even though I've being playing it for around 40 years, I'm still finding ways to improve.
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