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#1September 26th, 2007 · 01:33 AM
71 threads / 23 songs
611 posts
United States
What You Want
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My take on a great track from The John Butler Trio.  At some point in time I'd like to add rhythm guitar to this, and maybe a harp solo over the second bridge.  The frustration of finding someone to sing for me on my schedule is beginning to get to me, so this is just another one of a long line of tracks that I'll be putting my vocals on.

Enjoy.

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#2September 26th, 2007 · 07:37 AM
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Totally hate it!!!!(real annoying to my ears!!!)

Joking man!
Good job,not sure about the vocal ,sounds a bit over compressed and out of tune at parts.But hey I don't sing at all!(LOL)The music mix sounds real good although the drum sound doesn't work for me.Anyway great job!
By the way I never heard the original not even a clue of who the Butler Trio is.So I can't really say anything about how it compares to yours at all ,not that that! really matters(This your version not theres).

Will rate!
 
#3September 26th, 2007 · 09:41 AM
71 threads / 23 songs
611 posts
United States
I definitely agree with you about the vocals---I know I am no singer, and I'm still experimenting with my setup to get the best possible sound.  I did however purposely compress the vocals to get a thicker sound, but listening after a night's sleep shows me that the vocal channel is too loud for that much compression.

Oh, and it's all over the place, yeah.

What would you change about the drums?

Thanks for the C+C though.
#4September 26th, 2007 · 10:37 AM
18 threads / 14 songs
84 posts
United States
Never having heard the original of this piece, I am hard pressed to make appropriate commentary. Your instrumentation is well done: Really enjoyed the contrast of the pad and the instrumentation! The issue I have with the drums is that it should be providing a little more break-up of the rhythm.

I guess what I would want in this song probably isn't in the original - a proper break so that the groove can be returned to as opposed to just staying in the same feel. At the end of the song I liked the way it was broken down: if there were something like that in the middle, maybe at (roughly) the three minute mark it might bring it on a little better. I found myself waiting for the break, which is why I mentioned it.

BTW - I think that the only problem with your singing is at the mixing console for this. Rather than suggest, I have confidence from your own comments that you will fix it. Enjoyed how the tone color of the vocals went with the pad so well. Very creative!
#5September 26th, 2007 · 12:06 PM
71 threads / 23 songs
611 posts
United States
Thanks for the great critique.

The original differs a little in structure.  There is a break that is a real break as opposed to what I have.  I was experimenting with another style of arrangement to make this more "my" take.  I experimented with a break around where you would have liked one, and I didn't think it fit.  As I mentioned in the original post about the possible harp solo; this is where I would put one. 

I appreciate the vote of confidence on the vocals---I almost never mix vocals into a track as complex as this, and listening to it over and over again leaves an impression in my mind that apparently only a night's sleep can cure.

Thanks!
#6September 26th, 2007 · 01:20 PM
51 threads / 36 songs
1,757 posts
United States
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I never heard the original version myself...the mix sounds ok...what I do with my vox is layer a few tracks if needed so I don't over compress..But, I'm not the best at mixing...just a thought I would pass along...Maybe you do this Avi.. your vocals really aren't bad...just need some work ( who's don't? lol )..I know mine sure do...the song itself is pretty good...you have a distinct voice..I think if you keep on practicing you will improve...but don't put yourself down....you will never be confident or improve if you do this...you have the potential with your Voice Avi...just keep at it...and of course your one of the better Musicians on the amp with your music...

Flyer

Will Rate
#7September 26th, 2007 · 01:44 PM
71 threads / 23 songs
611 posts
United States
Thanks Flyer.  I appreciate the awesome compliments there!
#8September 26th, 2007 · 01:55 PM
61 threads / 3 songs
858 posts
United States
I think this is beautiful!  Just a few thoughts on this one, most of which I believe I already told you, but anyway,  Tha backing strings are just lovely but could use some warming to really envelope the listener (I would personally bring them up just a tad in the mix).  The hats are a bit bright to me.  Could possibly use a turn around or two to spice up the drum track. The twangy guitar later in the track is my fav! In fact, I insist that we do a track with a guitar like that in it very soon!  Your vox fits the track to me.  It has that raw unpolished sound to it, which I really like.
          Great work in my opinion,  but this is my kind of music!  (I know, you guys are like, WHAT!?)  Very nice overall.  All the changes i would make would be aesthetic and to my own personal taste and I think most of the comments made are along those lines.  Very talented, Like Ralph says, you are one of the better musicians around.
#9September 26th, 2007 · 02:11 PM
71 threads / 23 songs
611 posts
United States
Thanks MAP, I appreciate it.  The downside of using FPC is that you don't get as fine-grained control on an instrument-to-instrument basis.  There are issues in the mix that become clearer the more I listen to them, and I've already started to rework this.  I rerecorded the lyrics, because I found a shorter XLR cable which gives me a slightly cleaner sound, I added a grungy rhythm guitar ploughing through the chord progression, and as stringbreaker suggested, I added a breakdown midway---it's different to how I did it before, and sounds good to me this time around because I now had a guitar to work with.

For sure we got to collab again, bro!

Again, thanks!
#10September 26th, 2007 · 02:21 PM
43 threads / 15 songs
1,498 posts
Germany
vocals bit dry... doesnt fit the mix
but very powerful
great backing music which instruments did you use?
#11September 26th, 2007 · 02:37 PM
71 threads / 23 songs
611 posts
United States
I was having trouble mixing that vocal track in.  I rerecorded, and it sounds better to me now.  I created the music with FL Studio 7, using various soundfonts and FPC for the percussion.
#12September 26th, 2007 · 05:36 PM
124 threads / 32 songs
2,258 posts
Netherlands
No never heard of Butlers Trio either.
As dark and dragging as the music might be , there's something funny in it's simplicty, it's probably the 'plucked' riff?
The more I listen to it the more I like it, your voice is good, though you most definitely need to practice every now and then!
#13September 26th, 2007 · 09:21 PM
71 threads / 23 songs
611 posts
United States
Thanks kings.  Yeah, I don't sing too often; as for practicing it...well, you get the picture.  Glad you enjoyed it though, thanks.
#14September 26th, 2007 · 09:48 PM
17 threads / 3 songs
185 posts
United States
Avi this is real good
the  mix is a little keyboard  heavy on my ears at times .. I agree add some guitar to this.. I think your vox sound pretty good..A little off in a couple of spots ..but I couldn't do it any better... I really like the tonality of your voice 
it is pleasing to the ears..    the only thing I didn't care for was a mix thing ..the heavy long note keyboard part made my ears tired ..needs more dynamics  .. back it down in the mix at times then pull it up when you need to build tension..  also  agree with the post about the percussion tracks... need a break or variance of some kind

but overall  the mix is real good, the panning is good and the separation is there... lots of stereo field being used  which is real good..

gets high vote from me 
greg
#15September 26th, 2007 · 11:37 PM
71 threads / 23 songs
611 posts
United States
Thanks Greg.  Appreciate the compliments.

I've taken the suggestions and for the most part agree with them.  I've implemented them as best as I could, keeping the original feel of the track the way I perceive it to be.  I guess I'll upload it tomorrow or something.
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